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Legacy 7.4; Same Sex Marriage workarounds

Can current genealogy software handle today's non-traditional family's documentation and data?
My program of choice is Legacy 7.4, which I really like. So far, I haven't encountered any personal challenges with the software, but I wanted to see what it would do with Same Sex marriages. Check it out, tell me what you think and how your software program deals with this situation.

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OK, all names are ficticious and all of the boxes are not filled in, just to save time.
Here you see the traditional setup; husband, wife and daughter.

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Here you see that the daughter, Brenda, has married Susan.
Legacy 7.4 allows us to change the wording of Husband & Wife to whatever we want; in this case to Partner & Partner.
That'll work for most folks I think.

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However, because Brenda is on the left side of the screen - or the Male side - the database engine changes her to a male.
The gender choices are greyed out and you can't change it back. This can potentially confuse a future researcher.

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Here's Mark & Sam. They start out as unlinked individuals. This keeps their gender designation in tact. They get married.

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Here's what Legacy 7.4 has to say about that.
The warning box states: "You cannot link a Male in as a Wife".

To my way of thinking, this is something that their code masters can adjust.
This could be a 'feature request'. What say you?

Let me be clear, I'm not singling out Legacy; it just happens to be the software I use.
Other programs may have similar challenges.

I do think that ALL of the genealogy software companies need to look at these issues and make upgrades to their products to reflect the diversities and dynamics of the new family structures.

Peace,
"Guided by the Ancestors"

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Feb 04, 2010
Daniel Horowitz said...
This is MUCH more easy in Family Tree Builder George.

Just one click on the sex selector of the person and DONE ;)

You should try it one day.

Regards
Daniel Horowitz

Feb 04, 2010
George Geder said...
Hello Mr. Horowitz,

Thank you for reading my post and/or following this concern of non-traditional families.

Well, I tried your software - today!
I'm happy to report that it performed as you claimed. The non-trad community now have a genealogy software program to seriously consider.

I maintain that there are a LOT of potential family historians who would get involved with genealogy if they felt that they were welcomed and embraced by the industry.

I hope to hear from you again!

Peace,
"Guided by the Ancestors"

Feb 06, 2010
Dennis said...
I found a way to change the sex that works with legacy. Enter the names even though the gender is wrong & write down the RIN of the person to be changed. Make a gedcom, open the gedcom in notepad, hit Ctrl F to do a search, enter "i"and the RIN (example "i106") and hit find. Scroll down and below the name you will see "1 SEX F" change the "F" to "M" or what you need. Import the gedcom into a new file and you will see the partners have the same sex. Shame on Legacy, them & PAF are the only programs I have seen that won't let you change the sex ;-)
Feb 06, 2010
George Geder said...
Hi Dennis,

I understand the workaround. I'm not going to do all that.
The folks at Legacy should do this within their program.

Do you think that there's an element of 'refusal' on the part of Legacy and PAF?

Peace,
"Guided by the Ancestors"

Feb 07, 2010
Dennis said...
PAF is basically dead, no more updates, so it will not change (plus it is put out by the LDS church). Legacy if enough people "suggest a new feature" http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/suggest.asp or blog about how they are falling behind, maybe they will take notice.
Feb 07, 2010
Dennis said...
PAF is basically dead, no more updates, so it will not change (plus it is put out by the LDS church). Legacy if enough people "suggest a new feature" http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/suggest.asp or blog about how they are falling behind, maybe they will take notice.
Feb 15, 2010
Two or three years ago, I was hired to research a family history that included a lawful same sex marriage. I initially tried to use RootsMagic, but RootsMagic would not allow me to correctly record the same sex marriage.

I then tried Family Tree Maker and the same sex marriage was easily entered and correctly displayed. It looks like Family Tree Make is way ahead of the pack on this issue.

Stephen J. Danko

Feb 15, 2010
George Geder said...
Stephen, what version of Family Tree Maker did you use?
Feb 15, 2010
I've been able to add same sex marriages to FTM 2008, FTM 2009, and FTM 2010. I haven't checked the previous versions.
Mar 26, 2010
 said...
I agree with you,George.
Mar 26, 2010
George Geder said...
Nancy,

Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Across the board, the tools of today should reflect and support the challenges of today.

'Power To The People' and the tools that 'empower' them!

Peace,
"Guided by the Ancestors"

Sep 29, 2010
Melissa said...
I could have sworn that I checked this before purchasing Legacy, but I think I may have been enticed by a 20% off coupon! I knew I wanted software that would accommodate same-sex couples, then I fell in love with Legacy, and now I have run into this problem as I try to enter my uncle and his husband. I usually enter Marriage Without Issue as a timeline event - it's nothing to do with thinking these marriages unimportant and everything to do with just having so many people in my tree (I'm seven generations in for two branches). This union, however, has produced two children, and I want them in my tree with both their parents. Legacy's help file doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that you would want to change the sex of the spouse.

I use Ancestry.com, and I'd be OK with using their software as long as there is no way for it to automatically link to my Ancestry account. The way I keep my information differs from the way I make things available to others on Ancestry - I want my citations a certain way, and I don't share all of the photos in my personal tree on Ancestry because many of the people are still living, and I don't have their permission. My main problem with Ancestry's software is that, though they may have embraced the evolving family model, they have not embraced simple technology, like making their software available for download. You have to buy a CD from them - that's just silly.

Do you have any feelings on The Complete Genealogy Builder? It seems to require a separate purchase of the accompanying Reporter to do even simple reports, which I don't care for. I'm a designer and put my own reports together, but Legacy will create the text for me, at least - then I just copy/paste and work with it my way. For ease of use, however, I'd give TCGB high marks - and you can simply change the sex of the spouse, at which point it automatically changes the terms to "partner." It seems to be completely off the radar of anyone doing reviews of software.

Sep 30, 2010
Daniel Horowitz said...
Hi Melissa,

Family Tree Builder gives you the option to privatize specific fields, facts, photos and people. Of course, ALL living individual are privatize by default when you publish.

There is no CD to buy, simply go to http://www.myheritage.com/family-tree-builder to download the program, import your GEDCOM and you are already in business.

FTB It includes the The Complete Genealogy Reporter (we called "Book Report") and right now we are improving the charts and reports, just for your information.
TCGB is based on Family Tree Builder so you wont be disappointed.

Best regards
Daniel Horowitz

Sep 30, 2010
Melissa said...
Honestly, the reports don't matter to me in form so much as content. I'm sure most people would love to have the polished reports at their fingertips, but I am always going to do them my own way because I do individual- and family-relevant graphics as I'm doing the research. It both feeds my creativity and keeps me from going insane while staring at lines and lines of records and facts, etc. I just need to be able to create a text file, or something with copy/paste ability.

Mainly, I want to be able to enter biographical information and timeline events - when I look at someone a couple of months down the road and wonder why I ever thought he had a kid named Seraphina, I can look in the timeline event and see that the 18xx census listed him with wife and kids, and I have all the names listed. I want to be able to list a same-sex couple as a couple, reference media in my source citations, and have some way of marking individuals as completed or researched-but-incomplete. Obviously, I'll need to export GEDCOM files, but I do not want anything that can automatically link to and update my local tree because something always goes awry. I made the mistake of starting separate trees when I started, and thanks to the export/merge/import process, my Ancestry records all have "unsourced citations" for every event saved before the merge - odd, since they came from Ancestry in the first place!

I guess I just want to build the perfect tool for me! Or, really, have someone build it for me. Legacy has an old and clunky feel, and a lot of it could be made easier to use, but I only really got annoyed with it when I tried entering a same sex couple. That alone was enough to send me out looking at my options again.

Oct 01, 2010
 said...
Hi Melissa and Daniel,

Legacy is my primary program. However, I re-reviewed FTB and I have to say that 'same sex' issue has me looking at it again. I may ultimately change as I have too many loved ones in 'same sex' relationships. I want to easily and properly feature them in my genealogy database.

[btw, Roots Magic's software, at least ver. 4.0, allows one to easily change the sex designation of a person to accommodate what we are talking about.]

My next request would be to have a prominent text field that allows the indication of race or ethnicity. With blended or multicultural families being more and more mainstream these days, this would be a welcome feature!

I know that you can put all sorts of stuff in the 'notes' field, but that seems to a 'tucked-away' solution to me.

Daniel, put an ethnicity field just below the 'born' field and I will evangelize your product to the heavens! The genealogy software of the 21st century needs this! You are the one to do it! I'm calling you out! I'm putting you on Front Page!

Peace,
"Guided by the Ancestors"

Oct 01, 2010
Melissa Abernathy said...
That's a good point, George. I have never put ethnicity in individual profiles, but I see the value of the information, both in creating a complete profile for the person and in providing the information for other researchers. As I come across census records for more common names, I sometimes disregard many of them based on the race listed. This may not be good practice, though - after all, the famous Homer Plessy was listed on the 1920 census as white but on the 1910 census as black. His grandmother was black, so he was classified as such, but if you didn't know any of this, you might not know to treat both records equally - or who to look for when tracing back to the grandparents. If you had a photo, you might just assume he was not of mixed ethnicity.

What are your feelings on where/how to enter information on slaves? I have come across some wills and other documents that list slaves, and while I transcribe them and submit them to AfriGeneas, as I compile my records and make them available for others, I want to include this information quite prominently for anyone whose ancestors may be among them. I'd like to see some kind of standard for recording this information. I have reason to believe that my g3-grandmother is not my g3-grandfather's wife but a slave on the plantation at which he worked as an overseer before the war. I don't want to heavily research his wife's family because if this is true, they are not related directly to my bloodline. If I had information on everyone on the plantation, I could possibly begin to break down what has been my major brick wall.

Mar 22, 2011
FirestormTNM said...
I asked legacy about this. Their response was that there was too much coding to change. (As a PROGRAMMER, I KNOW BETTER! It is ONE or TWO LOUSY FLAGS they need to change!) THEY gave me a work around FAR more complicated than the one done above and ONLY a programmer might be able to do it! They said to rename the database file to a Microsoft Access extension (.MDB, I believe), open Microsoft Access and open the database. Find the person in question, change the gender, close the database and rename the database BACK to its original name. I haev WebTrees on my web server as a way for my family and I to collaborate on OUR family tree and even IT has the ability to not only CHANGE the genders of partners but to ADD them correctly in the FIRST place! The only down side is it can be a bit difficult when adding a new person to add everything you want. You have to start with an existing GEDCOM file to upload, even if it only contains one person and adding information initially can be difficult until you lear their system.

Personally, I am going to try Family Tree Builder as mentioned above and if so, Bye Bye Legacy and Family Tree Maker!

Mar 23, 2011
George Geder said...
Guided by the Ancestors
Mar 23, 2011
George Geder said...
Thank you Firestorm TNM for keeping this conversation alive.

A problem I've encountered is when you make the changes in the program, the resulting GEDCOM doesn't reflect it. So, the next generation of GEDCOM is going to have to be coded so that we can share our family trees cross-programs and cross-platforms.

The technical issue, as you claim, could be easy.
The cultural issue is more challenging!

Peace & Blessings,
"Guided by the Ancestors"

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